2020 Plenary Speaker
Preventing Kicking the Can Down the Road
Sally Santen, M.D., Ph.D.
Senior Associate Dean, Evaluation, Assessment and Scholarship
Sally Santen, M.D., Ph.D., is a Senior Associate Dean, Evaluation, Assessment and Scholarship at Virginia Commonwealth School of Medicine.
In her role there she provides leadership and support of faculty and programs to address creative assessment, evaluation, and novel approaches to medical education, research development, and health care across the continuum from medical students to practicing physicians.
Dr. Santen practices Emergency Medicine and has a PhD in Education.
She is a consultant for the AMA ACE consortium for evaluation and assessment and was co-PI for the first cohort of ACE grants for the University of Michigan.
She has published extensively on medical education innovations and research including responsible and trustworthy trainee handovers from medical school to residency, moving Step 1 to after clerkships, and medical student and resident assessment.
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Plenary Chat Transcript
From Meredith Atkins - Harvard Medical School to Everyone: 12:45 PM
In your check in groups please introduce yourself with:
From Dawn DeWitt WSU to Everyone: 01:12 PM
For a moment I thought Diane had Dr. Fauci in her living room…
From Millicent King Channell Rowan School of Osteopathic Medicine to Everyone: 01:13 PM
Sorry where were the results
From Indu Partha,UArizona COM-T she/hers to Everyone: 01:13 PM
They should pop up on the screen
From Meredith Atkins - Harvard Medical School to Everyone: 01:15 PM
As we move in to Breakout Groups please introduce yourself with your name, school, TTR course or not and share something interesting or important to you.
From Indu Partha,UArizona COM-T she/hers to Everyone: 01:26 PM
Congratulations!
From Charishma Boppana TTUHSC to Everyone: 01:26 PM
Congrats Danielle!!
From Kinga – NYU Grossman School of Medicine to Everyone: 01:27 PM
Congrats Danielle!!!!!!!
From Helen Womack to Everyone: 01:27 PM
Awesome! Congratulations Danielle!
From Kim Pilkinton, MD, MPH, Univ Houston COM to Everyone: 01:27 PM
Congratulations, Danielle Cacciatore! Thank you for all that you do.
From Nohemi Barriga, PsyD to Everyone: 01:27 PM
Congratulations Danielle!!!!! Well Done!!!
From Regina Offodile to Everyone: 01:27 PM
Gongratulations
From Lynn Buckvar-Keltz, NYUGSOM to Everyone: 01:27 PM
So well deserved! CONGRATULATIONS Danielle!
From Jason Brainard to Everyone: 01:27 PM
Congrats!
From Millicent King Channell Rowan School of Osteopathic Medicine to Everyone: 01:27 PM
Congratulations Danielle Cacciatore!
From Jen Plant UC Davis (she/her/hers) to Everyone: 01:27 PM
Thanks for all you do Danielle! Congrats.
From Aditi Rao (M3 UMich Med School) to Everyone: 01:27 PM
Congrats!! :)
From Lauren Fisher - TCU/UNTHSC to Everyone: 01:28 PM
100% of students - that's amazing!
From Allen Ecker Rowan University SOM to Everyone: 01:28 PM
Congratulation!
From Sabrina to Everyone: 01:28 PM
Way to go Danielle!
From Abigail Winkel (NYU) - she/her to Everyone: 01:29 PM
VERY WELL DESERVED!!!!!!!
From Indu Partha,UArizona COM-T she/hers to Everyone: 01:38 PM
Another issue is the worry that the students have no other skills/talent with which to make a living
From Stephanie Mann -- University of Toledo to Everyone: 01:40 PM
The interesting question is how/why do we allow students to continue if we know being a physician is not an optimal career choice for them?
From Shan Luong (UT Southwestern) to Everyone: 01:40 PM
totally agree with measurement as a barrier. Oftentimes, clinical attendings have difficulty failing a student since each rotation is usually around 2 weeks
From Mariana (Marni) Markell - (SUNY Downstate) to Everyone: 01:40 PM
We need to identify them earlier.....
From Stephanie Mann -- University of Toledo to Everyone: 01:41 PM
@Mariana -- agree
From Wells, Gregg B to Everyone: 01:42 PM
CCC at the UME stage. Great idea!
From Jaini Sutaria, UTSW Dallas, TX to Everyone: 01:42 PM
Grade inflation makes this even worse.
From William Sasser - UAB to Everyone: 01:42 PM
ideally before admission...curious to see how use of MMI evolves
From Kim Pilkinton, MD, MPH, Univ Houston COM to Everyone: 01:42 PM
Agree @Mariana and Stephanie. Any correlate during medical school applicant (before admitted)?...
From Meredith Atkins - Harvard Medical School to Everyone: 01:42 PM
Agree! CCC in UME—We need to identify early and support with remediation and coaching.
From Indu Partha,UArizona COM-T she/hers to Everyone: 01:42 PM
Or @Stephanie: How do we counsel students from pursuing a particular specialty choice which they are not best suited for? Career counseling without getting the student’s back up.
From Johmarx Patton (MedBiquitous) to Everyone: 01:42 PM
@indu @Marianna @shan @William Part of the challenge I have observed over the years is that we have the data but it is cumbersome and burdensome to parse the data so that it can quickly and easily be reviewed
From Mariana (Marni) Markell - (SUNY Downstate) to Everyone: 01:43 PM
And as she is stating - some of the competencies are truly hard to assess. Some students are also immature
because they are younger than others. Maybe we shoul require life skills before entering Med School :)
From Stephanie Mann -- University of Toledo to Everyone: 01:44 PM
@Indu -- agree -- strong academic advising infrastructure is critical
From Lynn Buckvar-Keltz, NYUGSOM to Everyone: 01:45 PM
We can almost always remediate knowledge. It’s the professionalism/motivation/maturity issues that are harder to remediate.
From Antonia Quinn to Everyone: 01:45 PM
How do we assure that if a student is found to need 5 years, how do we assure they get a residency? The program directors need to be on board with this.
From Nick Suss (SUNY Downstate) to Everyone: 01:45 PM
In terms of identifying weaknesses at the pre-admission stage, many medical schools (and some residencies) are now using CASPer, an online test platform that assesses online situational judgment skills and behavioral skills. Not sure if there are data yet that demonstrate any association based on success on these types of assessments and medical school performance.
From Dr. Andrea Anderson - GW to Everyone: 01:45 PM
@Lynn - this is the crux of the problem. How to remediate the “intangibles”.
From Catherine Chen Robert Wood Johnson to Everyone: 01:46 PM
@Mariana - Agree about immaturity, but not necessarily the age component. Some of younger students can also be extremely mature and very self-improvement oriented
From Mariana (Marni) Markell - (SUNY Downstate) to Everyone: 01:46 PM
@catherine you are correct - I misspoke. Some younger students have a lot of life experience
From Dawn DeWitt WSU to Everyone: 01:47 PM
See paper on undergrad vs postgrad entry—we looked at literature on academics and then asked students about satisfaction, wellness & burnout.